RE: The Queen Mum's Jag: PH Blog

RE: The Queen Mum's Jag: PH Blog

Friday 3rd May 2013

The Queen Mum's Jag: PH Blog

Scrof takes the Queen Mother's old XJ12 for a spin



Two amazing classic Jag experiences in just three months is something of a treat, especially for this fan of the old leaper.

Sumptuous interior fit for... er... a queen
Sumptuous interior fit for... er... a queen
The first came back in March when, having just watched Andy Wallace pulling some big speeds in an F-Type, Jaguar’s people asked if I wanted to jump in the passenger seat of a D-Type with him for a two-hour schlep across northern France. I was there like a shot. 'Shot' being a relative term, bearing in mind the contortion required to get myself seated and strapped in. Totally worth it, though.

Another opportunity with one of Jaguar’s Heritage cars yesterday, this time behind the wheel. A long-wheelbase, Series One XJ12, to be precise, finished in deep red, or Royal Claret, to give the colour its exact name. A name, perhaps surprisingly, free of hyperbole, because this particular XJ was once owned by Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother.

It was built and delivered to Her Majesty in 1973, and once its time with her was over the XJ12 was retired to the Heritage collection, alongside several other Jaguars and Daimlers once used or owned by the Queen Mother. Fitted with Jaguar’s iconic 5.3-litre V12 engine, it kicked out 269hp when new, and was once, Jaguar claimed, the fastest full four-seater in the world, with a top speed of over 140mph.

Venerable V12 is wonderfully smooth
Venerable V12 is wonderfully smooth
It bears the marks of its former owner, too, the leaper absent, and the flag that once stood in its place replaced by two rubber bungs covering the holes. And it’s not just special because of its royal patronage, either; this XJ also has the honour of being the first ever long-wheelbase example to be produced. Apparently Jag built it as a one-off for the Queen Mum, but then came over all “hang on a minute lads – I’ve got an idea...” – and before you knew it, the production LWB was born.

What’s it like, then? Well, you know what you’re thinking it’ll be like? Yeah. That. Open the door and you drop into a seat set low; the driving position rakish, almost coupe-like, and miles removed from today’s taller limousines. The dash, meanwhile, is that solid slab of pure timber, edged in padded leather, that no Jaguar of its day would be seen in public without. Crank the engine and it simply clicks into life. Into D and the big V12 swells beneath you, and you’re off, seamlessly. Acceleration is muted, but the XJ does a sterling job of gathering speed whenever required, the kickdown giving an extra bit of punch to spur the old girl up hills. Corners are dealt with sedately, meanwhile. The sense that the spindly Bakelite steering wheel is attached to the front wheels by means of little more than cotton wool and hope sees to that, but the result is that progress is never so fast that it becomes ungainly. And beneath it all, that lacquer-smooth V12 rumbles and purrs softly to itself, murmuring happily each time you prod the throttle.

Royal Claret paint denotes provenance
Royal Claret paint denotes provenance
It’s utterly graceful; composed and elegant, without being ostentatious, and still more refined than many a modern car. A vehicle that perfectly befits a royal, in other words. And while its provenance makes it unique, even without that it'd still be a very special thing in its own right. It’s easy to see now why the XJ caused such a stir when it first arrived. And sitting behind the wheel of this one, I don't doubt Her Majesty must have felt rather proud of what her nation could produce.

Alex

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gforceg

Original Poster:

3,524 posts

180 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Gawd love 'er.

Tinted rear window? I take it she didn't drive herself, no?

oilit

2,632 posts

179 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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so where do i buy one !


cuda

464 posts

241 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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ICONIC 5.3-litre V12 engine?

Iconic? Really?

Terry Duckworth

34 posts

134 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Is the Gin bar still present and correct?

365daytonafan

283 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Love these early XJ12s. Every talks about the 300SEL 6.9 as first super saloon but these were around at the same time and every bit as quick.

MadDog1962

890 posts

163 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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If I'm not mistaken these Series 1 XJ12s had caburettors and might be easier to look after than later Series 2 with the Lucas fuel injection. My dad had a Series 2 (Daimler Double 6). He loved it. Performance on the open road was strong, along with high levels of comfort and refinement. However, the fuel consumption is extreme by today's standards. Many people say the parts are cheap, but you'll probably need them and running one of these can be a bit of a financial challenge.

Twoshoe

854 posts

185 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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365daytonafan said:
Love these early XJ12s. Every talks about the 300SEL 6.9 as first super saloon but these were around at the same time and every bit as quick.
I hate to be pedantic, but it was 300SEL 6.3 or 450SEL 6.9.

(I'll get my coat.)

NoChicane

15 posts

133 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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365daytonafan said:
Love these early XJ12s. Every talks about the 300SEL 6.9 as first super saloon but these were around at the same time and every bit as quick
Not a chance, wouldnt see which way a 300 SEL 6.3 went..

wildcat45

8,075 posts

190 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Love these.

I was brought home from hospital as a newborn in a Series I XJ6. It was our neighbour's car. Some of my earliest car memories are of a car that looked just like this. He swapped it for a Series II when I was about 4 or 5. It wasn't the same at all.

vixen1700

22,968 posts

271 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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NoChicane said:
Not a chance, wouldnt see which way a 300 SEL 6.3 went..
The 6.3 wasn't that much quicker than an XJ12.

Sitting waiting for my MoT the other day and saw a recent edition of Octane magazine had a comparison of the two. Left me thinking that I really couldn't make up my mind which I would prefer, so decided that my EuroLotto winning garage would have them both. smile

Prawnboy

1,326 posts

148 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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cuda said:
ICONIC 5.3-litre V12 engine?

Iconic? Really?
yes really

varsas

4,013 posts

203 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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I am/have been looking to buy a nice SWB S1 XJ (preferably a 12) but haven't been able to find a suitable one. This looks stunning, when I saw the story I was hoping it was for sale but I guess not. The search continues.


vixen1700

22,968 posts

271 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C352257

This one's nice, but is a long wheelbase car.

mikey77

707 posts

189 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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I hate the 'i' word but what else would you call the world's most-produced 12-cylinder engine? At least, I think it was.

The first old car magazine I ever bought was a Classic and Sportscar from about 1983 and it had a comparison between a SWB XJ12 and the Merc 6.3. I seem to recall that, as expected, the Merc had the slight edge on power but couldn't get near the Jaguar on noise level, refinement and handling. Being built like a brick outhouse isn't everything.
When 'Car' said on the launch of the XJ6 that they no longer had to be jealous of the guy in the big white Merc they were right.

Cheib

23,269 posts

176 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Twoshoe said:
365daytonafan said:
Love these early XJ12s. Every talks about the 300SEL 6.9 as first super saloon but these were around at the same time and every bit as quick.
I hate to be pedantic, but it was 300SEL 6.3 or 450SEL 6.9.

(I'll get my coat.)
biggrin

rohrl

8,738 posts

146 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Did the old bird ever have a driving licence of her own? I don't think I ever saw a picture of her driving.

oldtimer2

728 posts

134 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Somewhere on youtube there is an interview of Walter Hassan and Harry Munday, the designers, by Raymond Baxter. If you are into the details of its design and the reasons why they did them the way they did, that is the place to go. It is also remarkable because at one point Harry Munday quotes Aristotle - not something you hear from todays engineers.

The weakness of the early v12s, IIRC, was not the mechanicals but the new fangled computer chips used in the ECU. They couldn`t stand the heat under the hood and failed causing sudden, involuntary stops and many irate owners. Later the computer chips were hardened so they could withstand the heat in the kitchen.

oldtimer2

728 posts

134 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Somewhere on youtube there is an interview of Walter Hassan and Harry Munday, the designers, by Raymond Baxter. If you are into the details of its design and the reasons why they did them the way they did, that is the place to go. It is also remarkable because at one point Harry Munday quotes Aristotle - not something you hear from todays engineers.

The weakness of the early v12s, IIRC, was not the mechanicals but the new fangled computer chips used in the ECU. They couldn`t stand the heat under the hood and failed causing sudden, involuntary stops and many irate owners. Later the computer chips were hardened so they could withstand the heat in the kitchen.

365daytonafan

283 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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Twoshoe said:
365daytonafan said:
Love these early XJ12s. Every talks about the 300SEL 6.9 as first super saloon but these were around at the same time and every bit as quick.
I hate to be pedantic, but it was 300SEL 6.3 or 450SEL 6.9.

(I'll get my coat.)
Actually I'll get mine silly typo - it's been a long week.

varsas

4,013 posts

203 months

Friday 3rd May 2013
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oldtimer2 said:
Somewhere on youtube there is an interview of Walter Hassan and Harry Munday, the designers, by Raymond Baxter. If you are into the details of its design and the reasons why they did them the way they did, that is the place to go. It is also remarkable because at one point Harry Munday quotes Aristotle - not something you hear from todays engineers.

The weakness of the early v12s, IIRC, was not the mechanicals but the new fangled computer chips used in the ECU. They couldn`t stand the heat under the hood and failed causing sudden, involuntary stops and many irate owners. Later the computer chips were hardened so they could withstand the heat in the kitchen.
Yes, apparently the amplifiers for the electronic ignition was placed in the middle of the vee.

I have seen the youtube video. I believe lots of the decisions they made were cost driven and far from ideal. The cylinder head design in particular was pretty poor, so much so that it was changed in 81(?) for the HE head. The inlet manifolding is waaayyyy to long on carb cars, obviously the engine was designed for fuel injection, it also has too much space between cylinders and holds too much water so takes an age to warm up. I also think the short stroke/big bore design isn't ideal for the cars it was put into. It needs to rev to produce the power but the top end breathing is too restrictive and won't allow it. I bet Harry et el knew all this when they filmed the video. On the plus side it has been proven to be reliable.

Don't get me wrong, having owned a V12 XJ-S and hoping to buy an XJ12 I love the engine but I'm not blind to the fact that it is not a great design...however an OK V12 is still a V12...