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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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09/10/10 12:58 AM
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Seeing this pic of Steve Juliano's Challenger reminds me: wide front moulding pkg., hood pins and front spoiler tips.
Last edited by 318 Stroker; 09/10/10 12:59 AM.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
[Re: 318 Stroker]
#796900
09/10/10 01:00 AM
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'71 Challenger R/T - Go Mango, 440-6, 4-speed w/console, 3:54 Dana, black shaker, elastomeric bumpers, white vinyl top, black R/T stripes, rear window louvers, rear go-wing, PS, PDB, PW, Sunroof, AM/FM stereo, rallye gauges, white interior, rear defroster, light group, 15x7" rallys, space saver spare, CA. emissions. What did I leave out? Rear shoulder belts???
6-way seat... 
I thought Go Mango was a 70 only color?
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
[Re: 318 Stroker]
#796901
09/10/10 01:02 AM
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Seeing this pic of Steve Juliano's Challenger reminds me: wide front moulding pkg., hood pins and front spoiler tips.
If you have wide front molding, you can't have rubber bumpers.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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09/10/10 09:08 AM
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I am not an E body guy but if I were.....70 Challenger R/T convert, Hemi, 4 speed, 4.10 Dana,Shaker, Rallye dash, 15x7 Rallye wheels, PS, PDB, PW, AM/FM, Panther Pink, white top, white interior, white longitudinal stripe. Might not have all the available options but probably would have been 1 of 1.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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09/10/10 11:55 AM
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While certainly no HEMI/Dana/shakker/sunroof car my dads 1971 Challenger was quite an odd one. Option list is all over the map... 1971 Challenger, FJ6, white interior/top/stripes, 383 Magnum, 4-speed, front & rear spoilers, HD (HEMI) cooling system & radiator, built for export (KPH gauges), HD 14" wheels with wire wheels covers & white wall tires, standard flat hood!  
1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)
1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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#796907
09/10/10 02:10 PM
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By the sounds of it, everything I was thinking of putting on this car is available in '71 except the gator grain vinyl. Was the SE model available in '71? I dont think it was but I could be wrong? No sunroof with the SE models most likely due to the over head consolette. In '71 I can have the colour I want, the stripe I want, the interior I want, so on and so on... I can not have the gator grain? Or the option of the T/A hood?  Apparently most option packages offered in '70 were the same in '71. Maybe its best to start with a '71 model.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
[Re: moparmat]
#796908
09/10/10 03:00 PM
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Was the SE model available in '71?
The small back window was available. It wasn't a separate model like '70. It was OPTION code A78 - "formal roof package".
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the option of the T/A hood?
The N94 "T/A" hood is another '71 OPTION.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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#796909
09/10/10 04:16 PM
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What Demon are you talking about? I follow those pretty closely and am not familiar with it. Got any pics of the car and fender tag?
The Louvers are a bad example as well, I've seen dozens of non vinyl top Challengers with louvers over the years.
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Some R/T Challengers left the factory with T/A hoods as well. How odd is that?
Not very odd at all when you consider that the T/A hood was advertised in the factory literature and had it's own option code (N94)
The Demon was a feature car in Mopar Colectors Magazine. It competes in f.a.s.t. The owners name is Iggy. Dave Dudek assembled the engine. Heres a link to the engine build up with some facts about the car. T/A block, orange '72 interior in a '71, black stripes on black paint.
http://bfastracingmessageboard.runboard.com/t352,offset=0
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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#796910
09/10/10 04:27 PM
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Was the SE model available in '71?
The small back window was available. It wasn't a separate model like '70. It was OPTION code A78 - "formal roof package".
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the option of the T/A hood?
The N94 "T/A" hood is another '71 OPTION.
T/A hood or shaker for a six pack car... 
I really wanted to gator grain vinyl! 
It would make more sense to start with a '71.
Its still possible that a '70 could be built with a '71 interior.
Basically it comes down to the gator grain top and colour of the stripes for each year. everything else it seems could be had on a '71 model.
If I did a 70' model the stripes could be a black or white I suppose. But the interior Is not available. STILL, it was possible! 
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
[Re: moparmat]
#796913
09/10/10 07:00 PM
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The Demon was a feature car in Mopar Colectors Magazine. It competes in f.a.s.t. The owners name is Iggy. Dave Dudek assembled the engine. Heres a link to the engine build up with some facts about the car. T/A block, orange '72 interior in a '71, black stripes on black paint.
http://bfastracingmessageboard.runboard.com/t352,offset=0
That's the car I thought you were talking about. There is nothing 1972 about the interior it has. My (September 1970) 1971 Demon has the exact same interior, long before the 72 stuff would have been in production. In fact, that orange interior wasn't even offered in 1972.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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09/10/10 07:20 PM
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1) Louvers were available with or without vinyl tops. But if it had a vinyl top it had to be black.
2 I'm not following you. Seems like you are making a big deal about nothing here. You want to make up a rare or unique car, so just do it. What does it matter that it could/couldn't be available? It's not a factory car anyways. You'd put 71 stripes on a 70 and then worry that you couldn't get a certain color or top or interior?
I see your point about my concern with different options for each year. That being said, I will try and be more clear what what I am trying to decide upon.
Ok, the idea is to build the car for a specific time period. I am leaning more towards early 1971 because it could have been built with the features I desire except the gator top.
I got the idea of mixing a FEW different year items from the Demon I mentioned in an earlier post. That car was built BY THE FACTORY in late '71 which is why it has the '72 interior. The car was not optioned this way. Here is a quote from the article:
"Perhaps most interesting of all, this was not a special order car or a "sold car," but was a generic sales bank car sent out to an unknown dealership in Southern Florida when new. So, as bizarre as this one is, apparently, they were just using up leftover '71 parts and getting these things out the door so they could start building the slightly different '72 models."
So basically I am trying to replicate a "sales bank" car.
That is the idea behind putting different year features on the car from the next or previous year depending which year I decide to build. Example, '71 year with a '70 "leftover" gator top. Or, 70' body with '71 interior. Make sense now?
The reason I am so concerned about mixing and matching different parts/options/features is because some options were not available until a specific time of production. If the car had been built in the right time of the production year, its possible it could have left the factory like Iggy's Demon with mixed parts.
Also, not everyone wanted the rare options that would have been available in 1970. Chrysler did not produce these parts as they were ordered for each car. That wouldn't make sense. They were likely produced in bulk. Now, as the Demon clearly displays, these leftover parts could have been thrown into the next year models to simpley rid of them and make room for the next production run.
I am still trying to make sense of how I want to build the car myself! I do not know all the options available for each year of the specific dates to which they are available. I am only asking for input of what were rare options that could be included in the build.
Sure, its not a factory car. But the IDEA is that IT HAS BEEN DONE.
I know to some of you it may be  but its one of the things I love about Mopars. The Mod Top vinyl roofs, the wild colours, and the bizarra assemblies such as the Demon. Steve Juliano owns a Mod Top 'Cuda with a Hemi. Its an odd colour combination but I LOVE IT.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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#796915
09/11/10 01:28 PM
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Start with a 4-speed 1970 Challenger Convertible, paint it TX9 Black, black top, 426 Hemi, N96 OR N94, H6XV hemi orange interior, power windows, Rallyes, bumblebee orange tail stripe. Challenger T/A big and little Polyglas GTs front and rear - 'cause you "had 'em swap them at the dealer off a new T/A in '70", H25 heater delete because it was Hawaii-bound, radio delete because it was going to be a race car but plans changed.
call it a day.
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Re: build me a rare 1970-71 dodge challenger!
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09/11/10 02:26 PM
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1) Louvers were available with or without vinyl tops. But if it had a vinyl top it had to be black.
2 I'm not following you. Seems like you are making a big deal about nothing here. You want to make up a rare or unique car, so just do it. What does it matter that it could/couldn't be available? It's not a factory car anyways. You'd put 71 stripes on a 70 and then worry that you couldn't get a certain color or top or interior?
Kinda my thought...
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