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rekttrashez

Boys, I figured out a way to cheese Nelson bot.

All you need is to open "private window" in your

browser, and pick a chess.com bot stronger than Nelson, and copy that bots moves!!

You don't even need to download any engines!!

 

The only time I lost against Nelson bot is when I mis-copied aka the clones and I have to play against Nelson bot myself.

 

Give it a try and get 3 stars against all the chess.com bots!!

Abethababy

In January 2022, I tried that with mittens, but we drew. But that is without stockfish. It was with maximum chess.com engine.

magipi
Abethababy wrote:

In January 2022, I tried that with mittens, but we drew. But that is without stockfish. It was with maximum chess.com engine.

The Maximum engine is super weak, I am really surprised that it could draw Mittens.

Omarnoor786
rekttrashez wrote:

Boys, I figured out a way to cheese Nelson bot.

All you need is to open "private window" in your

browser, and pick a chess.com bot stronger than Nelson, and copy that bots moves!!

You don't even need to download any engines!!

The only time I lost against Nelson bot is when I mis-copied aka the clones and I have to play against Nelson bot myself.

Give it a try and get 3 stars against all the chess.com bots!!

I don't think the is allowed in chess.com

MarioParty4
Omarnoor786 wrote:
rekttrashez wrote:

Boys, I figured out a way to cheese Nelson bot.

All you need is to open "private window" in your

browser, and pick a chess.com bot stronger than Nelson, and copy that bots moves!!

You don't even need to download any engines!!

The only time I lost against Nelson bot is when I mis-copied aka the clones and I have to play against Nelson bot myself.

Give it a try and get 3 stars against all the chess.com bots!!

I don't think the is allowed in chess.com

It is, but making actual people play computers? No. That's not allowed.

AngusByers

Well, that sot of defeats the purpose of Nelson-Bot. Bots are weird, and their move choices can be unlike a human opponent; computer chess has always been that way. However, they can be useful. The whole "point" of Nelson-Bot is to view it as a training tool, specifically to learn how to defend (as Black) against his early Queen attacks/scholar's mate.
It's not that hard. Play Black against Nelson-Bot, and after 1. e4 e5, you bring out your Queen Side Knight to c6, defending your e5 pawn. Nelson often (though not always), will then bring out the King's Bishop with 2. c4, threatening mate on your weakest square (f7). All you have to do is block the Queen, by 2. ... g6, and that also threatens the White Queen. And because you brought out your Queen side Knight, Nelson-bot can't (well, won't) grab your e5 pawn.
Rather, Nelson-bot will probably move the Queen to reintroduce his one idea, mate on f7, by retreating the Queen via 3. Qf3 ... and now Nelson-Bot has put the Queen on the best square for the King side Knight, which means it is creating more problems for itself than it is for you because all you have to do is Block the attack by either the Queen or the Bishop on your f7 pawn. You can't really block the Bishop, as d5 is just going to result in the Bishop taking the pawn and you are back where you started, so 
just block the Queen again, with 3. ... Nf6.
And that pretty much puts a stop to Nelson-Bot's aggressive ideas. After that, you continue to proceed with good opening moves, like fianchetto your King side Bishop with Bg6 and short castle. Also, notice that your Knight on c6 can jump to d4, where it is protected by your e5 pawn, and from there it will attack Nelson-Bot's Queen and also the weak pawn on c2, which would fork the King and Rook. So, if Nelson-Bot neglects to castle by the time you've got your King safe, as it often does, you have an idea to work with. Your Knight on e4 would force yet another Queen move, and to a square that protects the vulnerable c2 pawn; which means one of d1, d3, c3, or b3. While b3 lines up the Bishop and Queen as a battery on your f7 pawn again, your Knight on e4 covers that square, so b3 would be a major blunder, provided you don't panic and just take the Queen. So if c3, it's probable that Nelson-bot has just left the pawn on e4 undefended, and your Knight on f6 can just grab it for free. That really just leaves d3 or d1, but d1 does the same as c3, abandoning the e4 pawn, and effectively admitting that all those Queen moves were pointless, so Nelson-bot is just going to "start over" by putting the Queen back on its starting square. Of course, d3 is awful too. While it defends all the weak pawns, it blocks the White Queen Pawn. If Nelson-bot's King is still in the centre, and not castled, start looking at how to trade off centre pawns, maybe something like c6 and then d5. Maybe the idea of chasing the Bishop appeals, and c6 then b5 might get a think; grabbing you space on the Queen side, while forcing Nelson-Bot to move a piece yet again, rather than develop or do something you need worry about.
In short, Nelson-Bot wastes all sorts of time having to move the Queen and therefore not developing pieces. What's worse, is where Nelson-Bot tends to move their Queen interferes with their own pawns and pieces. In contrast, you are getting your King safe, bringing out your pieces to good squares, looking where you could later move them that is a protected location that create threats, and thinking about clear, and fairly straight forward plans (King in the centre? then make moves that trade off those centre pawns and attack Nelson - but you will do it correctly, not his silly way).
Why practice against Nelson-Bot this way (playing Black, and responding to encourage it to play Scholar's Mate)? Because many people new to chess learn the Scholar's Mate, they use it, and for awhile they win with it, so you will face it if you're also just starting out. And if you don't know how to deal with it, you may end up losing as a result. Moreover, learning how to defend against it demonstrates why good opening principles are superior to one-move threats, and it will teach you how to beat those players who don't know what to do after they make their 4th move. And it will also help you when you are faced with other, weird looking early moves. Sure, you might not choose the very best options, but you will (hopefully) not make some random move either. Leave that to the bots.

AngusByers

Oops, early on in that rather lengthy post, it should say "It's not that hard. Play Black against Nelson-Bot, and after 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 ..., you bring out your Queen Side Knight to c6, defending your e5 pawn. ..."
Nelson-Bot doesn't always play 2. Qh5, nor does it always play 3. Bc4, but that's the point of training bots, they set different puzzles around a common theme for you to solve, and by doing so, you improve. happy.png

Vocaloid39

Using a bot to beat another bot seems like cheating to me and discussions of cheating isn't allowed in the general forums. Please keep topics around cheating in this club instead:

https://www.chess.com/club/cheating-forum

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