RE: Audi Quattro | PH Auction Block

RE: Audi Quattro | PH Auction Block

Thursday 11th April

Audi Quattro | PH Auction Block

The icon that revolutionised rallying, available for roughly the price of a lightly used GR Yaris...


There’s arguably never been a better time for homologation specials than in the '80s. You can thank Group B for much of that, with manufacturers desperate to prove their cars capable of surviving the punishment meted out by the World Rally Championship, which required them to build a handful of road-going specials to meet the entry requirements. The Lancia Delta S4, Peugeot 205 T16 and Ford RS200 are still among the most iconic cars ever homologated, and while they weren’t the first or last of the breed, few have pushed the boundaries of ‘normal car’ performance quite like the rally machines of four decades ago. 

Moreover, the decade saw the introduction of technologies that actually had an impact on the wider car industry, unlike the hyper-complex hybrid stuff Formula 1 has been pushing since 2014. For instance, twin-charging was first introduced on the Delta S4 and, though not ubiquitous, has appeared in numerous VW and Volvo products as a clever way to reduce turbo lag. And while turbocharging itself had been used in road cars long before the golden era of rallying, there’s no denying rallying helped spur its wider adoption. But the real game-changer of course was all-wheel drive, made popular by the likes of the Audi quattro, which is what we have here.

Admittedly, the quattro wasn’t the first performance car to feature all-wheel drive (famously Jensen had beaten the Germans to it with the FF over a decade prior) but the boxy coupe sold in considerably greater numbers and can lay claim to revolutionising the rally scene. It racked up three wins in its first WRC season in 1981, before clinching a pair of drivers’ and constructors’ championships apiece (not necessarily in the same year) between 1982 and 1984. Lancia famously beat Audi to the manufacturer’s title in ’83, but it employed some outrageous tactics to do it given how superior the all-wheel drive quattro was compared to the rear-wheel drive 037 on all but the tarmac rallies. 

Towards the end of the Group B era, Audi’s competitors developed their own all-wheel drive systems and it wasn’t long before Lancia and Peugeot were clocking up rally wins. These were essentially mid-engine prototypes, whereas the Quattro remained closely linked to its road-going counterpart until the ruleset was scrapped in 1986. But while it wasn’t as dominant as our rose-tinted memories would have us believe, its impact on rallying - and on the car industry as a whole - is undeniable.

Thankfully, Audi’s rally machine (the Sport variant aside) is far more accessible than many homologation specials of the era because it was built in comparatively high volume. That said, being a car of the '80s means a good chunk of them are a little rough around the edges. Not the case with this example, mind, which looks almost every bit as good as it would've done 40 years ago. And for good reason: the seller has gradually restored the bodywork during their ownership, with any remaining blemishes set to be addressed before being collected by the winning bidder. The interior, meanwhile, has been left untouched bar a Sony CD head unit that doesn’t look too out of place. The seats, steering wheel and Audi-branded floor mats are all original, and you can smell the deliciously aged leather from the pictures alone.

The rest of the car has also been left unmodified, with the wonderfully unorthodox 2.1-litre inline-five turbo engine developing its original 200hp. Despite covering a mightily impressive 134,600 miles, the car has only accrued 1,000 of those since 2008 and has been off the road since 2022. Accordingly, a wee bit of ‘recommissioning’ might be required to get it back on song, though happily it’s already said to be in ‘fine mechanical condition’ as it is. The guide price is £32,000 to £34,000, far from the most expensive Quattro on sale at the moment. Bidding opens on Sunday. 


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Twinair

Original Poster:

672 posts

143 months

Thursday 11th April
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Nice thought. Nice memories.

But no, no one is going to buy this. (Egg ready for splatting on own face…!)

Just get a GRY - you can also get them with scatter cushions - don’t ya know…!

WPA

8,908 posts

115 months

Thursday 11th April
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True Icon, lovely car

McRors

287 posts

57 months

Thursday 11th April
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Given the silly money some Fords are going for, I’d say this is a bit of a steal at the guide price. Shame it’s not being used much.

Martin315

119 posts

10 months

Thursday 11th April
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McRors said:
Given the silly money some Fords are going for, I’d say this is a bit of a steal at the guide price. Shame it’s not being used much.
Agreed, would rather this than a GR Yaris too.

Aren’t some spares hard to come by, though?

PRO5T

3,996 posts

26 months

Thursday 11th April
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Martin315 said:
Agreed, would rather this than a GR Yaris too.

Aren’t some spares hard to come by, though?
I was ready to step up to the next level in the mid to late 90s and there was a garage local who specialised in these. They were difficult to get parts for back then so who knows how bad it is now?

trickywoo

11,894 posts

231 months

Thursday 11th April
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PRO5T said:
I was ready to step up to the next level in the mid to late 90s and there was a garage local who specialised in these. They were difficult to get parts for back then so who knows how bad it is now?
Quattro Sports in Haywards Heath?

I bought a 13 owner 150k mile one from them in 1993 and remember parts being scarce or unavailable.

PRO5T

3,996 posts

26 months

Thursday 11th April
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trickywoo said:
PRO5T said:
I was ready to step up to the next level in the mid to late 90s and there was a garage local who specialised in these. They were difficult to get parts for back then so who knows how bad it is now?
Quattro Sports in Haywards Heath?

I bought a 13 owner 150k mile one from them in 1993 and remember parts being scarce or unavailable.
No, in deep, dark Cumbria-I forget the name but I'm pretty certain the family still trade. I recall they usually had three or so in stock and the one I liking the best being a gun metal grey colour-it was lovely.

But there was something not working-I don't recall what it was but it was something you really wanted but didn't stop it functioning or passing an MOT. When I queried it, it was simply shrugged off as the part was no longer available so once that went you did without.

Coming from a series of RS Fords it was a bit of a shock. They sort of sat me down and talked me through it all. You needed deep pockets really back then and I was told in no uncertain terms mine didn't look to be deep enough! If I remember it was something like six or seven grand, around the same price as a really nice Saphire Cosworth that everything worked on and where you could pick up all the bits from the local motor factors.

Nish Gnackers

1,053 posts

42 months

Thursday 11th April
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Car in question aside, I get the feeling that PH auctions are a bit of a project on life support, and no amount of plugging on their own platform will help resuscitate the poor thing.

evojam

580 posts

161 months

Thursday 11th April
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In case anyone had forgot the GR Yaris is the best car in the WORLD! biggrin

Matt_T

415 posts

75 months

Thursday 11th April
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I was looking at the S1 replicas a couple of years ago with a serious view to buying one listed at 97,000 Euros. There is a company in Poland that takes Audi 80 shells (correct?) and builds replicas of the S1. I can't think of a better way to spend £200k (other than a 6R4 replica!)

https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/audi-quattro-s1-e...

https://www.motorsportauctions.com/category/98/rec...

https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/audi-quattro-s1/

Edited by Matt_T on Thursday 11th April 18:12

WeirdNeville

5,969 posts

216 months

Thursday 11th April
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Nish Gnackers said:
Car in question aside, I get the feeling that PH auctions are a bit of a project on life support, and no amount of plugging on their own platform will help resuscitate the poor thing.
Yep. Seen a few cars slip through with reserves not met. I think it's a function of the market being very unsettled, with some cars going for silly money for no real reason, and a bunch of chancers pulling the orbital polisher over any old tat and asking +£10k.

Not saying that about this car.... But I'd want the paperwork showing that it's only done those 1000 miles. Every chance it hasn't.

Otherwise, I do like these and £30k doesn't seem outrageous for such an important vehicle if it all stacks up.

Augustus Windsock

3,382 posts

156 months

Thursday 11th April
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Other than my RS500, this is my favourite of ALL the cars I’ve ever owned.
Mine was an 86 ‘C’ reg, white, 36k and one barristerniwner from new, and although even a warm ish hatchback from today would probably see it off, it’s the experience that mattered to me.
The sound is unique as is the way they drive, yes 4 wheel drive grip but will always settle towards gentle understeer, but who cares?
As for the auction car, to be pedantic that’s not an original steering wheel (is it perhaps a Treser one?)
Either way, I’d jump across to Germany and buy one from there, they tend to be cheaper (ok, there may be VAT or whatever to pay when you get it back here?) and a lot more of them available; I’ve been watching an early UR that could be used ‘as is’ but would benefit from paint, for what I think is reasonable money.
Yer pays yer money and all that…

Edmundo2

1,347 posts

211 months

Thursday 11th April
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Starting to look their age a bit now IMO..

An icon for sure and always a car I admired as a kid but it's slipping from modern classic towards classic.

Looks a fairly nice example but the proportions are starting to look a bit ungainly from some angles/with the small wheels and you can almost sense just from the pictures the weight transfer challenges it's likely to encounter when cornering..( vs something relatively modern ).

Add to that the general fit and finish which is starting to look a bit creaky + rust potential, ageing electrics, spares shortages etc and it all starts to look like it's more effort than it's worth and could be a "never meet your heroes" moment for the buyer..

I could be wrong and hope I am and I'm sure when it's all tip top it could still put a big smile on your face and feel really nostalgic..

A fully restored/modernised Sport Quattro ...yes. This, I'm not sure?

Edited by Edmundo2 on Thursday 11th April 19:37

drewos

161 posts

185 months

Thursday 11th April
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Cool but not 30 odd grands worth of cool if it ever reached that.

I do like these though and the engine makes a nice noise but how people think they can justify the prices advertised on anything considered a classic now is ludicrous.

DarrenO'D'

92 posts

166 months

Thursday 11th April
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I Have one, and for sure a modern hot hatch would give it a kicking, but, you would be massively surprised how modern they feel to drive, mid range torque is excellent, all the controls are nicely weighted and matched. Looks are always subjective, but if you like it you like it. Visibility is excellent as it is with most older cars and they have plenty of room in the back for kid seats if you need too. You can hustle them along very well, but you do need to drive rather than let electronics help you out.

soxboy

6,327 posts

220 months

Thursday 11th April
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Never thought I’d say this but at that price it seems reasonable. Having said that, it’s still almost 10 times what I sold mine for…..

Very nice colour combination, especially the black leather.

My only concern would be that it’s too nice to use in poor weather, which is where the drivetrain shines - otherwise it’s not great with a lot of oversteer. The parts situation is allegedly a lot better, but still not great. It took over a year to source a cylinder head for mine back in the day.

clacs2

312 posts

160 months

Thursday 11th April
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Edmundo2 said:
Starting to look their age a bit now IMO..

An icon for sure and always a car I admired as a kid but it's slipping from modern classic towards classic.

Looks a fairly nice example but the proportions are starting to look a bit ungainly from some angles/with the small wheels and you can almost sense just from the pictures the weight transfer challenges it's likely to encounter when cornering..( vs something relatively modern ).

Add to that the general fit and finish which is starting to look a bit creaky + rust potential, ageing electrics, spares shortages etc and it all starts to look like it's more effort than it's worth and could be a "never meet your heroes" moment for the buyer..

I could be wrong and hope I am and I'm sure when it's all tip top it could still put a big smile on your face and feel really nostalgic..

A fully restored/modernised Sport Quattro ...yes. This, I'm not sure?

Edited by Edmundo2 on Thursday 11th April 19:37
I agree it is now more classic than modern, but then it is almost forty years old. I don't think the price is unreasonable if its as good in the metal as it is in the pictures, which is a big if.

For me it would be fine as a third car for high days and holidays, but not as a daily. The search for parts is a pain if you need the car for domestic duties, and inevitably you'll be looking for them on a regular basis if you're dailying it, not to mention the expense. It becomes a chore rather than a hobby.

MDMA .

8,942 posts

102 months

Thursday 11th April
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Rusty three years ago and not MOT’d since. More a Brave Pill I think. If I was the seller, I’d get it through an MOT for the next owner as a little peace of mind. Otherwise, it’s an expensive punt.

PRO5T

3,996 posts

26 months

Thursday 11th April
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Matt_T said:
I was looking at the S1 replicas a couple of years ago with a serious view to buying one listed at 97,000 Euros. There is a company in Poland that takes Audi 80 shells (correct?) and builds replicas of the S1. I can't think of a better way to spend £200k (other than a 6R4 replica!)

https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/audi-quattro-s1-e...

https://www.motorsportauctions.com/category/98/rec...

https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/audi-quattro-s1/

Edited by Matt_T on Thursday 11th April 18:12
There was a British firm doing them for around £50-60k not all that long ago, 80 front end and A pillar with Coupe back end, just like the real deal. Dialynx;

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Firebobby

551 posts

40 months

Thursday 11th April
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Too old, too boring, too slow, too expensive! It's had its day but some wise old owl with more money than brains will snap it up.